[USML Announce] Socialized Risk, Privatized Profit: No Bonus For Me, Baby

Bbuddhas at aol.com Bbuddhas at aol.com
Wed Apr 1 18:32:48 EDT 2009


I'm starting to like this league!!
 
 
In a message dated 4/1/2009 11:06:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mblocker at Sidley.com writes:

Amen to the second paragraph of Kerber's e-mail.   The whole idea for years 
was to make mortgages available to people that who  did not qualify for 
mortgages in the past.  When the system cratered, the  people who offered the 
mortgages were blamed, and the people who could not  afford them in the first place 
were portrayed as victims.  What sense  does that make?


 
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 From: announce-bounces at usml.net  [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On 
Behalf Of  springkerb at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:47  AM
To: announce at usml.net
Subject: Re: [USML Announce]  Socialized Risk,Privatized Profit: No Bonus For 
Me,  Baby



In the case of AIG, the bonuses in question were not for  performance.  They 
were apparently/supposedly retention bonuses  paid to people who were needed 
to manage the restructuing--although there  are admittedly some questions about 
whether that was universally true,  since some of the bonuses went to people 
who left the company.  In  any case, the Treasury knew about it.  Eventually, 
word got  out about the bonuses, and the Treasury suddenly was "shocked, 
shocked" to  find that bonuses were being paid.  So now the government pretended  
it knew nothing about what was going on and forced AIG  to break its promises 
and screw the people who stayed around in  reliance on the bonuses.  Part of 
the fallout of this is that a couple  of those key executives have left one of 
AIG's affiliates in France, and as  direct fallout of their departure, AIG was 
recently in danger of defaulting  on $234 billion worth of derivat ive 
transactions as a result of a  "change in control" provision.  (Don't know if that 
has worked itself  out yet.)  If AIG does default, pulling back those guys' 
bonuses will  be one of the stupidest moves in history.

As for the "mess they  created," what about the government itself?  We had 
about 15  straight years for which the official US government policy (on both  
sides of the aisle, by the way) was to promote cheap mortgages and home  
ownership for everyone.  Then the same sanctimonius bastards (sometimes  known as 
congressmen) that pushed that policy get to hold a Salem witch  trial for the 
executives of all the banks and investment firms  that underwrote the cheap 
mortgages the government itself was  promoting.  Screw them, too.

And what about all the morons that  bought houses they couldn't afford, 
because they thought there was  absolutely no way you could fail to make money hand 
over fist buying real  estate.  They are now supposedly the victims.  Screw 
them,  too.

Hey, Bhudda, let's go out for a  beer!

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Jansen  <bljansen at gmail.com>
To: USML Announcements  <announce at usml.net>
Sent: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 9:51 am
Subject: [USML  Announce] Socialized Risk, Privatized Profit: No Bonus For 
Me, Baby


Today's thoughts:
Hey, if all those greedy SOBs at AIG have to worry about these days is  other 
folks' "jealousy," they should be happier than pigs in shit.
 
As a public sector employee, I don't get bonuses, but gee in the  private 
sector aren't bonuses supposed to be based somewhat on performance.  I mean, good 
performance?

Mark, I appreciate your concern about gov't getting involved in  managing a 
business, (especially since AIG Financial Products did such a  great job 
managing itself), but as a fellow taxpayer watching our tax  dollars subsidize a 
bottomless sinkhole created by some financial  "geniuses" I for one am more 
troubled by the fact that I've become an  involuntary shareholder in a business run 
by insiders now charged with the  task of fixing the mess they created.  And 
I am watching my country's  future "managed" by these self-dealing insiders 
who build nothing,  create nothing and care about nothing except turning money 
into more  money (and now are using mine as well).  Screw 'em. 
 
And, by the way, you're dead wrong about Morrow, too.
 
 
 
Oh, April Fools. Just kidding. Really. Some of my best  friends are hedge 
fund managers.  
 
  

On 4/1/09, _springkerb at aol.com_ (mailto:springkerb at aol.com)  
<_springkerb at aol.com_ (mailto:springkerb at aol.com) > wrote:  
You  won't get much of a fight out of me on this one, Bhudda.  I'm OK in  
principal with the gov't restricting bonuses, etc., when they are bailing  
companies out, but if they do it too much they won't attract the talent  needed to 
make these companies viable again.  And, when the gov't  starts getting 
directly involved in managing a business, that business is  as good as dead with or 
without bailout money.  I'm generally more of  a libertarian than a true 
liberal.  


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: _Bbuddhas at aol.com_ (mailto:Bbuddhas at aol.com) 
To: _announce at usml.net_ (mailto:announce at usml.net) 
Sent: Wed, 1 Apr  2009 12:02 am
Subject: Re: [USML Announce] USML Today: Who's Up, Down  and Holding Steady


no no   this socialism thing is really working well......i  was wrong    Go 
get those AIG guys....and the TARP  recipients too!!!!!!
 
A Rasmussen poll (taken in these United States of America) said 30%  think 
the Federal Government should enact a law that caps athletes and  entertainers 
pay at $1 million........... 36% think executives pay should  be capped at $1 
million....... that's what this country was built  on....jealousy.
 
I think that Mickey Robinson's squeeze liked to quote Lincoln....try  this one
 
I don't believe in a law to prevent a man from g etting rich;  it would do 
more harm than good. So while we do not propose any war upon  capital, we do 
wish to allow the humblest man an equal chance to get rich  with everybody else. 
--March 6, 1860 Speech at New  Haven, Connecticut

 

OR
 
"Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a  positive good 
in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may  become rich, 
and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise.  Let not him who is 
houseless pull down the house of another; but let him  labor diligently and 
build one for himself, thus by example assuring that  his own shall be safe from 
violence when built." 
-- March 21,  1864 - Reply to New York Workingmen's Democratic Republican  
Association".
 

 
 
In a message dated 3/31/2009 9:12:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
_springkerb at aol.com_ (mailto:springkerb at aol.com)   writes:




Republicans:  Because at the end of the day, you know he's  right.

Way  right.






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