[USML Announce] USML - Proposed rule codification/Draft Dates
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springkerb at aol.com
Mon Mar 22 07:10:01 EDT 2010
I'm OK w/ April 2 as a tentative date.
Mark
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From: Andrew Klein <anrklein at gmail.com>
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Agree with Blocker on the rules issue.
BTW ... during the run-up to the draft, Jeff suggested that we actually calendar a date for 2011 right now. Obviously, something could come up that would change availability. But there would be benefit to having something set in advance -- other events could be planned on different dates if possible, and we could work on re-setting the draft earlier if an unavoidable conflict arises. With that in mind, I suggest SATURDAY APRIL 2, 2011 as our next draft date. Easter and Passover are both later in the month next year, so the holidays would not pose a conflict.
I vote "yes" on my proposal!
-Andy
Mark Blocker wrote:
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> Mark/others:
>
> >
> I vote no on the Kerber Alternative Proposal, but Mark, I certainly > respect that there are other points of view on this.
>
> >
> First, some additional data. I looked back at my notes, and we had > this issue arise last year. One team selected Ivan Rodriguez, who was > signed in the NL shortly after the draft, and Matt Murton, who was > simply in the NL. The owner was not permitted to name replacement > players, but simply had to replace the slots via FAAB. So I agree > with you that past precedent is simply to fill the slots via FAAB, and > that is what I think we should do for this year.
>
> >
> Second, I disagree that our past practice imposes a pointless > penalty. If there is uncertainty about a player?s minor league > affiliation, a team either (a) should not draft that player, or (b) > realize they are taking a risk in doing so by proceeding with > imperfect information. In my view, it is no different than when Team > X drafted Ivan Rodriguez, knowing he was likely to sign somewhere, but > not definitely in the NL. More importantly, a problem with your rule > is that ?discovery? could occur well after the draft (query: what if > it occurs mid-season?), and even if it doesn?t happen way after, there > is still additional information available when a team selects a > replacement. For example, we now know Kerry Wood is likely to be out > for a bit, which is something we did not know on draft day. What > stops the replacing team from selecting a Cleveland bullpen pitcher as > a flier? I think the easiest rule is just the bright line rule that > the player is waived and you can replace the slot later.
>
> >
> Anyway, just my views.
>
> >
> Mark B.
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> >
> >
> *From:* announce-bounces at usml.net [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] > *On Behalf Of *springkerb at aol.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:54 PM
> *To:* announce at usml.net
> *Subject:* Re: [USML Announce] USML - Proposed rule codification
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> >
> As noted in my prior e-mail, I agree that any rule change would not > affect the current situation. We've never allowed rule changes on the > fly and we shouldn't do so now.
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> >
> My take on the current situation is that the rules are silent, so we > just do whatever makes sense--or whatever we've done in the past if > there is a precedent. It appears, based on the discussion, that the > precedent is to treat the slot as empty and allow it to be filled via > FAAB. That's OK w/ me.
>
> >
> For the future, I think allowing a replacement makes more sense, as > long as the replacement occurs soon enough that circumstances have not > changed significantly. Otherwise, the team that made the erroneous > selection is limited to FAAB-eligible players, which is a much smaller > pool than those eligible for the Rotation Draft. Seems like a > pointless penalty for a good-faith mistake--particularly given that it > is difficult to find up-to-date info on the affiliations of minor > league players. Obviously, no player that was not eligible on Draft > Day should be available as a replacement, and I would propose that > language be included to make that clear. As modified, my proposal for > future years is as follows:
>
> >
> 5.6 If a team acquires a player in the Rotation Draft that does
> not meet the criteria set forth in Section 5.2, the player will,
> upon discovery, be removed from the roster of the team selecting
> that player. Such team shall be permitted to select one or
> more replacement players, as appropriate, within 24 hours of the
> time of discovery. If more than one team selects such players,
> replacement players shall be chosen by the affected teams in the
> same order as the order of the Rotation Draft. Any replacement
> player must have been eligible to be selected in the Rotation
> Draft on Draft Day.
>
> >
> I think it would make sense to vote now, just to take care of it while > the issue is fresh.
>
> >
> Mark
>
> >
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard E. Robbins <RERobbins at iTinker.net>
> To: 'USML Announcements' <announce at usml.net>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:24 pm
> Subject: RE: [USML Announce] USML - Proposed rule codification
>
> I vote against this proposal because I do not think it is timely and > would prefer that we deal with this informally as we do so many other > things until it's time to codify the result. Think about how our > rules concerning early drafting came into being -- a few years of > informal trial followed by timely formal rule voting.
>
> >
> I believe that amending the rules in season, for any reason, sets a > very dangerous precedent that could one day result in bitter > difficulties for the league. It makes it too easy for people to toss > out possible rule changes at any time.
>
> >
> If I'm the only one who feels this way then so be it. However, if > there's even a single other person who agrees with me I'd ask that the > proposal be withdrawn and that we just deal with this instance > informally and not tinker with the text of our rules now.
>
> >
> Now I need to find me a closer. . .
>
> >
> -- Rich
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> >
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> *From:* announce-bounces at usml.net <mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net> > [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net <mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net?>] > *On Behalf Of *Jim Barrett
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:00 PM
> *To:* USML Announcements
> *Subject:* Re: [USML Announce] USML - Proposed rule codification
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> I agree as well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2010, at 3:46 PM, "Mark Blocker" <mbblocker at aol.com > <mailto:mbblocker at aol.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree with Jeff on the rule change. We forget about all these
> issues in the off-season. When someone starts off their e-mail
> with ?does anyone remember how we handled X? last time it
> occurred, I think that?s a sign that we should simply codify our
> resolution. I am not talking about massive re-writes of the
> rules. I just want to tweak the small things that occur
> occasionally. As for rules that affect the draft, the perfect
> time to tweak them is right after the draft.
>
> *From:* announce-bounces at usml.net
> <mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net>
> [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net
> <mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net?>] *On Behalf Of
> *jhwinick at aol.com <mailto:jhwinick at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:43 PM
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> Since Jim faced this situation before and we waived the player and
> made him wait until the first FAAB, I think we should consider
> this discussion closed. There's absolutely no reason to deviate
> from past practice. I took Mark B's proposal as a request to
> codify the league's prior practice.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard E. Robbins <RERobbins at iTinker.net
> <mailto:RERobbins at iTinker.net>>
> To: 'USML Announcements' <announce at usml.net
> <mailto:announce at usml.net>>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:39 pm
> Subject: RE: [USML Announce] USML - Proposed rule codification
>
> Can we deal with the current issue on an ad hoc basis right now
> and then deal with rules proposals and text amendment during the
> deep off season?
>
> Right now people may vote one way based on how it impacts their
> current situation and another if dealing with the issue in the
> abstract.
>
> I don't have strong feelings either way about the substance of
> this one -- but I really do prefer to keep in line with our well
> established framework for amending our now, pretty stable rules.
>
> Would we need a substantial super majority or will a simple
> majority carry the day?
>
> Over and out.
>
> -- Rich
>
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> *From:* announce-bounces at usml.net
> <mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net>
> [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net
> <mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net?>] *On Behalf Of
> *jhwinick at aol.com <mailto:jhwinick at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:30 PM
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> Mark,
>
> I like the rules proposal and vote yes.
>
> As for my roster:
>
> 1. You have the correct Josh Fields
>
> 2. You're missing Ramon Castro at $2
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Blocker <mbblocker at aol.com <mailto:mbblocker at aol.com>>
> To: 'USML Announcements' <announce at usml.net
> <mailto:announce at usml.net>>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 21, 2010 1:59 pm
> Subject: [USML Announce] USML - Proposed rule codification
>
> Since the problem of teams acquiring players from the NL has
> occurred in the past, and will likely occur in the future, I
> propose we codify our proposed solution in the rules for future
> reference. Here is a proposed rule, to be inserted as section 5.6
> of our rules:
>
> 5.6 If a team acquires a player in the Rotation Draft that does
> not meet the criteria set forth in Section 5.2, the player will,
> upon discovery, be deemed waived effective as of the conclusion of
> the Rotation Draft. Such team shall have no right to select a
> replacement player, but instead may acquire a player for that slot
> in accordance with Article XIV.
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