[USML Announce] Roto Musings ...

[Doug Shabelman]

I’ll agree to the new proposal but only if there are 324 emails about the topic with scholarly discussions as to amending the constitution. I also would welcome the appointment of the honorable Rich Robbins as Special Counsel to act as official sounding board. All in favor…..

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I like Mr. K’s proposal (some multiple of saves plus holds).  And, I too really enjoy watching Andy’s closers flame out.

Jeff

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A somewhat more serious response--given the relatively larger number of holds than saves available, I'd be inclined to go with a weighted measure (e.g., 2S + H) if we go in this direction.  Otherwise, the scoring would put an artificial premium on the 7th and 8th inning guys.  I'm not sure what the right ratio would be, but it should probably track the actual relative numbers of expected holds and saves across the league.

I don't have a really strong reaction either way for the moment.  (But did I mention how much I've enjoyed watching your closers flame out?)

Mark



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I've really enjoyed watching your closers flame out, so I'd miss that.

Mark



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The Yu Darvish signing and publication of the Winick Magazine have my roto juices flowing.  So here's a topic for conversation.

Should we consider changing from Saves as a category to Saves+Holds?  Of course, we would need to do this with a year's notice to make things fair, so likely starting with the 2019 season.

Here's my thinking ...

Saves have always placed an obvious premium on 9th inning guys over good middle relieves.  But it seems the disparity between roto value and real value is growing given that way that managers are using bullpens in recent years.  More and more managers utilize top relievers in "high leverage" situations rather than just the 9th inning.  And increasing numbers of managers are hesitant to let starters go through a lineup for a third time, which makes bullpen depth extremely important in real baseball.  Little of this is captured using our rules.  We chase whoever currently has a 9th inning gig, and do so all year with FAAB dollars.  Meanwhile, most middle relievers -- who are in real life quite valuable -- get ignored.  There are a few exceptions (e.g., Andrew Miller went for $16 last year), but they are few and far between.

Saves plus holds would make a much larger universe of pitchers valuable and reduce the dice-rolling aspect of fishing for saves. The only downside I can think of is that the pool of valuable relievers might be too big and could simply depress the price for all relievers.

Finally, I admit that some of this might relate to my own miserable attempt to compete in Saves during the past few years.  I've tried everything -- buying a high-priced stud (injured or traded); buying closers-in-waiting (never happened or injured); buying low-end closers (flame out or injured).  Etc.

Interested in others' thoughts.  And eagerly awaiting the draft!

-Andy
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