[USML Announce] Roto Musings ...

[Andy Klein]

The difference in sheer number of holds and saves isn't as big as you might
think.  I didn't add it all up, but glance at the charts here:
https://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/player-stat/holds

-Andy

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Jeffrey Winick <jwinick at hwhlegal.com>
wrote:

> I like Mr. K’s proposal (some multiple of saves plus holds).  And, I too
> really enjoy watching Andy’s closers flame out.
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> Jeff
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> A somewhat more serious response--given the relatively larger number of
> holds than saves available, I'd be inclined to go with a weighted measure
> (e.g., 2S + H) if we go in this direction.  Otherwise, the scoring would
> put an artificial premium on the 7th and 8th inning guys.  I'm not sure
> what the right ratio would be, but it should probably track the actual
> relative numbers of expected holds and saves across the league.
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> I don't have a really strong reaction either way for the moment.  (But did
> I mention how much I've enjoyed watching your closers flame out?)
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> Mark
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> I've really enjoyed watching your closers flame out, so I'd miss that.
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> Mark
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com>
> To: USML Announcements <announce at usml.net>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 12, 2018 11:54 am
> Subject: [USML Announce] Roto Musings ...
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> The Yu Darvish signing and publication of the Winick Magazine have my roto
> juices flowing.  So here's a topic for conversation.
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> Should we consider changing from Saves as a category to Saves+Holds?  Of
> course, we would need to do this with a year's notice to make things fair,
> so likely starting with the 2019 season.
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> Here's my thinking ...
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> Saves have always placed an obvious premium on 9th inning guys over good
> middle relieves.  But it seems the disparity between roto value and real
> value is growing given that way that managers are using bullpens in recent
> years.  More and more managers utilize top relievers in "high leverage"
> situations rather than just the 9th inning.  And increasing numbers of
> managers are hesitant to let starters go through a lineup for a third time,
> which makes bullpen depth extremely important in real baseball.  Little of
> this is captured using our rules.  We chase whoever currently has a 9th
> inning gig, and do so all year with FAAB dollars.  Meanwhile, most middle
> relievers -- who are in real life quite valuable -- get ignored.  There are
> a few exceptions (e.g., Andrew Miller went for $16 last year), but they are
> few and far between.
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> Saves plus holds would make a much larger universe of pitchers valuable
> and reduce the dice-rolling aspect of fishing for saves. The only downside
> I can think of is that the pool of valuable relievers might be too big and
> could simply depress the price for all relievers.
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> Finally, I admit that some of this might relate to my own miserable
> attempt to compete in Saves during the past few years.  I've tried
> everything -- buying a high-priced stud (injured or traded); buying
> closers-in-waiting (never happened or injured); buying low-end closers
> (flame out or injured).  Etc.
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> Interested in others' thoughts.  And eagerly awaiting the draft!
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> -Andy
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