[USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux

[JOHN FRUIT]

What's apparent is that the 2x saves method seems to put even more statistical emphasis on the saves category, kinda defeating the purpose.



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From: springkerb via Announce <announce at usml.net>
Date: 2/11/19 10:15 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Frank Luby <zachfehsvater at yahoo.com>, Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com>, USML Announcements <announce at usml.net>
Cc: springkerb <springkerb at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux

Cool.  It's an interesting comparison.



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From: Frank Luby <zachfehsvater at yahoo.com>
Date: 2/11/19 10:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com>, USML Announcements <announce at usml.net>
Cc: springkerb <springkerb at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux

To throw some data into this discussion, here are the top 50 relievers in the AL last season ranked by the SV+HLD method and the 2xSV+HLD, in a side by side comparison ...

On Monday, February 11, 2019, 9:44:36 PM CST, springkerb via Announce <announce at usml.net> wrote:


I'd like you to reconsider the ratio.  There are about twice as many holds as saves. Weighting them equally would actually make the 7th and 8th inning guys more valuable than closers, which just doesn't seem right.

Mark



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From: Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com>
Date: 2/11/19 7:33 PM (GMT-06:00)
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Cc: springkerb <springkerb at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux

Nope ... we talked about it, but never voted on it.  I'm actually advocating Saves + Holds, not 2XSaves + Holds.  I'm fine with 2020 implementation.  I'll wait another day and then make a formal proposal.

-Andy

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 7:02 PM springkerb via Announce <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net>> wrote:
See my other email.  Thought thiswas a done deal for this year.

Mark



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From: Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com>>
Date: 2/11/19 4:16 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: USML Announcements <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net>>
Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux

That's four quick positive responses.  Eager to hear others ... and whether people would generally prefer to implement in 2020.

-Andy

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:01 PM JOHN FRUIT <jtfruit at msn.com<mailto:jtfruit at msn.com>> wrote:
Yeah, Josh Hader struck out like 50 Cubs in 10+ innings of work and had nary a save.



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From: Frank Luby via Announce <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net>>
Date: 2/11/19 3:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
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Cc: Frank Luby <zachfehsvater at yahoo.com<mailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux

What’s a closer ...?

Seriously though, I’m with Andy. Gives a purpose and a strategy to those many many pitchers I refer to as DNH guys (as in “do no harm”).

I would be fine with immediate implementation.

- Frank



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> On Feb 11, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I proposed this last spring and received a distinctly unenthusiastic response.  But I am re-proposing that we move to Saves + Holds as a category instead of just Saves.  That better reflects the reality of MLB pitching value today.  It also would end what is, IMHO, an inordinate focus on playing the "closer carousel" in our league.
>
> I would be up for doing this immediately -- and I say that as someone who will otherwise retain a closer.  But I suppose the typical way of doing this would be to make it effective next season.
>
> Last year, we agreed to implement the change if we voted to do so by mid-season.  But the proposal died for lack of interest.
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> Thoughts?
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> -Andy
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