[USML Announce] You Don't Need a Winick To Know Which Way The Wind Blows

Brad Jansen bljansen at gmail.com
Tue Mar 20 16:55:14 EDT 2007


...and I recall years back some chortling at a team (wasn't it Andy's?) that
had a hotshot minor leaguer who got placed on the DL before the draft--in
that case he also had to eat the guy's salary...

BLJ


On 3/20/07, springkerb at aol.com <springkerb at aol.com> wrote:
>
>  I always thought the way it worked was that you didn't have to waive
> anyone, but you did have to activate them pre-draft, meaning that a roster
> slot is filled and the salary is deducted from your draft dollars.  Didn't
> we have this conversation about 3 or 4 years ago?
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bljansen at gmail.com
> To: announce at usml.net
> Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] You Don't Need a Winick To Know Which Way The
> Wind Blows
>
>  Jim:
>   I respectfully disagree with your disagreement.  Unlike Jeffrey, I will
> address your point with logic and reason, not ad hominem attacks on your
> character and motives.  Sections 8-10 of Art. XVII  were included to address
> compliance with Section 12.2.  That section prohibits teams from carrying
> more players at a particular position than the rules allow (a point I raised
> in my original email on the subject, which you obviously overlooked in your
> haste to take sides with Jeff Winick on this matter).  Nothing in Art. XVII,
> Secs. 8-10 or in Art. 12.2 provides that a team must waive one or more
> players if its rookies make a ML team's opening day roster.
> Respectfully,
> BLJ
>
>
> On 3/20/07, Jim Barrett <chicagojab at yahoo.com > wrote:
> >
> > I disagree with Brad's interpretation.  It would essentially render moot
> > sections 8 - 10 of article XVII.
> >
> > *Brad Jansen <bljansen at gmail.com>* wrote:
> >
> > Rick:
> > Your request is noted and this owner approves it.
> > BLJ
> >
> > On 3/20/07, rickgam at comcast.net < rickgam at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Eagle Eye Brad;
> > >      Hey, I'm not a lawyer, though I do play one on TV but I wasn't
> > > altogether clear on sections 1 & 5 of Article VII since we haven't drafted
> > > after the season started in a while.  Given that the affected move won't
> > > have a tremendous impact either way (Youkilis at $11 isn't a tremendous
> > > bargain) if it's no skin off anyone's nose, and if the league concurs with
> > > Mr. Jansen's interpretation, I would rather reserve Youkilis instead of
> > > Pennington.  What say you, USML?
> > >    Rick
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: "Brad Jansen" < bljansen at gmail.com>
> > > Dear Rick:
> > >   A head's up: Jeff Winick once again is up to his usual chicanery
> > > and, since he intends to field a moneyball team this year, it is more
> > > important than ever to keep a vigilant eye on him.
> > >   When Jeffrey explains the Constitution and qualifies his unsupported
> > > propositions with the statement "as I understand the rules," you should
> > > expect a self-serving interpretation that's totally biased in his favor.
> > >    To wit: Contrary to Jeffrey's deliberate and willful misstatement
> > > of the Law, the Constitution does *not *state that your active roster
> > > must be limited to nine players come draft day.  While a team may  *
> > > reserve* up to nine players from its active and reserve rosters (plus
> > > three additional players on its reserve roster who have major league rookie
> > > status and have never been on the active roster of a USML team "without
> > > regard to anticipated opening-day major league status") on roster freeze day
> > > (Art. XVII, secs. 1, 5), there is no limitation on the number of players a
> > > team may have on its active roster on draft day.  According to section 4 of
> > > Art. XVII, if your protected players are on an AL team's roster, they shall
> > > be assigned to your active roster.  If a player is on the DL, you may elect
> > > to put him on your active or reserve roster (with salary counted against
> > > your cap).  If a player is not on a major league roster or the DL, he's
> > > assigned to your reserve roster.
> > >      So, under the Constitution, as of draft day D-Mat will make your
> > > active roster in addition to the nine players you reserved.  You are not
> > > required to drop someone from the roster (unless, of course, you would have
> > > 10 pitchers, a situation not present here).  And if Elijah Dukes makes the
> > > Devil Rays, Andy must add him to his active roster, too, giving him ten
> > > players.
> > >       The rule is clear as can be, notwithstanding Jeffrey's
> > > ill-considered "understanding" of it.  Accordingly, I hereby request the
> > > League as a Whole to take the following action:
> > >       (i) Allow Rick Gammons until 7:00 p.m. tonight to rescind the
> > > action he took in reliance on Jeffrey's misrepresentation; if Rick does not
> > > elect to rescind that move, then it stands:
> > >      (ii)  Impose some level of discipline on Jeffrey Winick,
> > > including censure, suspension or beating; and
> > >     (iii)  Impose such further sanctions on Jeffrey Winick as the
> > > League seems fit.
> > >
> > > And a personal note to Jeffrey:  Isn't it enough that you already are
> > > the prohibitive favorite to win this year, with a reserve roster that
> > > League wags are claiming is the best in League history?  Why can't playing
> > > on a level field ever be enough for you?
> > >
> > > Respectfully submitted,
> > > Brad L. Jansen
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/17/07, jhwinick at aol.com < jhwinick at aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Rick,
> > > >
> > > > A head's up.  Other than in the highly unlikely event that Dice-K
> > > > starts the season in the minors, as I understand the rules, you will have to
> > > > choose among Dice-K and your other 9 major league keepers, since you can
> > > > only roster a total of 9 players.  This is one of the disadvantages of
> > > > drafting after the season has begun.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: rickgam at comcast.net
> > > > To: announce at usml.net
> > > > Sent: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 4:56 PM
> > > > Subject: [USML Announce] 2008 H. D.s
> > > >
> > > > Greetings;       Here's my fellas;  Active  C. Granderson          $6     LT08  I. Kinsler                     $5     Y2  M. Ellis                        $1     FA  K. Youkilis                  $11   Y2  D. Erstad                    $8     Y2  R. Ibanez                    $19   FA  R. Hernandez            $15   Y2  J. Verlander                $2     Y2  J. Papelbon                $10   LT08    Reserve  M. Moses                    $2  D. Matsuzaka             $2  T. Diamond                $5    See you all in 3 weeks!      Rick
> > > >
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> > > >  Jorge Posada $13 Y2
> > > > Grady Sizemore $11 LT 2008
> > > > Felix Hernandez $15 LT 2009
> > > > Jose Contreras $14 Y2
> > > > Dan Haren $13 FA
> > > > Chien-Ming Wang $8 Y2
> > > > Huston Street $15 LT 2008
> > > > Chris Ray $10 LT 2008
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