[USML Announce] HATE TO BE A SNITCH

Thu Mar 29 13:55:50 EDT 2007

No surprise that all those lefties want to suppress the free market, but Buddha?  Turns out he's a closet protectionist.  You guys should all be sentenced to read Atlas Shrugged, including the entire radio speach.

Mark

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From: RERobbins at iTinker.net
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By my count it looks like there are five clear no votes on Andy's proposal -- Robbins, Jansen, Winick, Kerber, and Barrett and four clear votes in support -- Klein, Blocker, Buddha and Shabelman.

I'm not sure how to interpret John Fruit's messages on the topic.  Perhaps I've lost a clear vote.  I thought that his most recent message indicated that Jim B.'s proposal addressed his concerns.

I believe there is unanimity around what Jim has proposed.

John and Rick -- can you give a clear Yes or No vote on Andy's proposal?

-- Rich

From: announce-bounces at usml.net [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:32 PM
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Subject: RE: [USML Announce] HATE TO BE A SNITCH

I guess I'll have to go back and reread the emails but I didn't notice 5 supporting the Klein proposal. In an effort to make my vote clear (if it wasn't already) - I'm against the Klein proposal and in favor of mine.  And yes, I know we need official constutitional language but I don't have the time to deal with that today. Maybe later this weekend or early next week.
I'm off to catch a plane to Florida.

Ciao,
Jim

"Blocker, Mark B." <mblocker at Sidley.com> wrote:
Jeff:

  I think some people said they would support the Barrett proposal IF the Klein proposal fails, so lets first see what happens with the Klein proposal.  And I don't think it is fair to label this as coming from the fringes of the league (a "Klein/Blocker" proposal).  Five teams have said yes to Andy's proposal, and therefore it seems to me this deserves some serious consideration.

  -- Mark B.

From: announce-bounces at usml.net [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On Behalf Of jhwinick at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [USML Announce] HATE TO BE A SNITCH

"Speaking of shouted down, between Brad's various rants and insults, it appears as if my original proposal garnered 5 votes of support and 5 votes opposed.  Gammons should be required to get off the fence and weigh in."  

-Andy

Actually, I see things a little differently.  Well....alot differently.  For once, I don't find Brad's comments insulting.  I think he pointed out a reasonable difference of opinion regarding the suggestion that the successful trading or acquisition of minor league prospects is the consequence of nothing other than dumb luck (I believe as it pertains to the particular example that is being used to illustrate the importance of the new rule -- the one that involved an unnamed $40 player (Arod) being traded for an unnamed $19 minor league prospect (Brandon Wood) and I might add, a $5 pitching prospect from the Yankees (Philip Hughes).  Of course, Wood was turned into a $1 JJ Putz and Hughes is likely to be a valuable member of the Yankees rotation this year, but obviously those were circumstances that only dumb luck can explain.  You are certainly entitled to question whether such a strategy is good for the league, but I think its fair to challenge your assertion that it doesn't involve any strategic thinking at all.

And the other comment I recall is the one that identified the unintended consequence of preventing teams from trading one minor leaguer for another (say Adam Jones for Adam Miller).  

More importantly, I count the votes a little differently.  I see the Barrett rule having the support of at least five teams (Barrett, Robbins, Jansen, Winick and Fruit) and the likely support of Kerber.  By my count, that proposal will then be passed.  And at least three teams (Fruit, Jansen and Winick) believe that such a result would obviate the need for a vote on the Klein/Blocker proposal.  The fact that such a result would also postpone discussion on an issue that is sure to be very contentious appears to be lost on the sponsors of the Klein proposal.  

I'll ask one last time....PLEASE can we table the Klein proposal, adopt the Barrett proposal and get back to having fun?

Jeff Winick

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