[USML Announce] FAAB Fun

Sun Aug 3 20:22:31 EDT 2008

The way I see it - there are only two reasonable solutions.  We either process the bids under the traditional/constitution method or we follow how the website played it out this week.

  I should have won Bay under the USML constitution method.  There is no question that my $74 bid was the most anyone bid on him this week. 

  To the extent any of you want to take the view that we've all agreed to surrender our FAAB process to the website (at least for processing) - - for whatever reason, the site decided not to operate the Bay auction this week.  Under that scenario, my Bay bid is a nullity (actually it still shows in my queue for next week's possible transactions) and my Texiera bid should count as this week's non-contingent bid which I won with $69.  Bay would be available for all teams to bid on next week.  I'll also point out that I didn't have any insider knowledge on how to make the contingent bid process work.  Rather, I tested the possibilties on the add/drop page and it worked the way it did.  Everyone else in this league could have done the same thing and I don't think there's anything improper about my actions.  I shouldn't be penalized because most of you didn't do the same.

  Under either scenario, I win one of these 2 free agents.  Frankly, at this point I don't care which one I get (and I am saying this without seeing how any MLB games or stats played out today).  But I feel that I get hosed with a global do-over in which everyone gets to enter new bids by Friday of this week for all of last weeks' players.  So I agree with Andy - no to the do-over proposal.

  Jim 

Andrew Klein <anrklein at gmail.com> wrote:
  Just back from out of town. Here's my two cents.

I have been doing contingent bidding all year, and the system is not 
that complicated. It processes bids in the order you enter them, and 
then stops when it cannot do so any longer. This occurs when the player 
chosen for waiver is gone (because he was waived through a prior bid -- 
the later bids are essentially contingent). Or it would happen if 
someone ran out of FAAB money. Salary cap is not part of the system. 
It is up to the player who wins the bids to adjust rosters accordingly 
before Sunday noon. Also, as everyone knows, due to our "eBay" system, 
Mark B. manually adjusts salaries of players purchased through FAAB.

I don't know what happened with the Bay bidding. But it sounds like Jim 
B. should have won him, but then ran out of money for his other bids. I 
think that I am due Nady. The only question to me is his salary -- i.e. 
is it $30 or $50-something based on Jeff's contingent bid. Jeff 
accurately described our disagreement on that point, and I am happy to 
elaborate on my opinion if that becomes relevant. 

In any case, I strongly object to tossing out all bids and starting over 
next week. 

-Andy

jhwinick at aol.com wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Just when it looked like it would be easy....
>
> Here's the problem with Jim's bids. It is impossible to discern how 
> the system would treat them. It is clear that you can bid 
> contingently on the same player since the system will disregard all 
> other bids for the same waived player once he has been replaced, but 
> it is not at all clear how the system would handle bids that could 
> theoretically take you well over the salary cap. I've read the system 
> rules again this morning and the real challenge is determining where 
> the system starts its evaluation of bids. In Jim's case that would 
> have implications for who gets whom, what their resulting salaries 
> will be and what player Jim will waive depending on what player he 
> gets. Jim had the theoretical high bid on two different players. 
> Because the system didn't process the Bay bids, there's no way to know 
> whether (or IF) it would have awarded Jim either Bay or Nady. I'm 
> afraid that Jim's bids appear to be exactly the kind of complication 
> th at Mark B was talking about. 
>
> I obviously have a vested interest, so I'm going to pass the torch to 
> someone else. I don't think there's going to be a "good" answer for 
> how to handle this one.
>
> I do, however, have one request, that I suppose is largely moot at 
> this point. PLEASE send out your FAAB bids no later than Saturday 
> morning. Although FAAB is almost over and hopefully the system will 
> work going forward, it would really help to have all of this 
> information as soon as possible. Thanks.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard E. Robbins 
> To: 'USML Announcements' 
> Sent: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 7:14 am
> Subject: RE: [USML Announce] FAAB Fun
>
> Since roster moves haven't become effective, is there a problem with 
> Jeff just emulating what the system should have done with these bids?
> 
> I don't think you should be penalized for not having access to email 
> yesterday just because the web site didn't process things properly.
> 
> Just my two cents.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* announce-bounces at usml.net 
> [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net ] 
> *On Behalf Of *Jim Barrett
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:54 AM
> *To:* USML Announcements
> *Subject:* Re: [USML Announce] FAAB Fun
>
> Sorry guys for the delay but I was travelling yesterday and didn't 
> have access to e-mail. I don't want to mess things up further so am 
> willing to accept Jeff's allocations but this is how I bid:
> 
> $74 on Bay
> $69 on Teixiera
> $50 on Nady
> 
> My FAAB remaining was $74 (full amt of bid on Bay). I didn't know 
> how/if contingent bidding worked and figured if the system didn't want 
> me bidding this way it would stop me. Otherwise it would treat the 
> other two as contingents. I picked different players to drop for each 
> (didn't think of using the same). For Bay, I had dropped my open slot 
> (for waiving Tabata earlier). For the other two it was Albers and 
> Gabbard. Obviously, I'd prefer that the open spot be used rather than 
> eliminating a player from my reserve roster.
> 
> With all that said, I think technically I should have won Bay but am 
> willing to accept Teixiera if that causes the least amount of 
> angst/trouble.
> 
> Jim
>
> */Jeff Winick >/* wrote:
>
> Let's try this again. Bay is a Berliner at $52, otherwise the
> message of this afternon was an accurate statement of the bidding
> outcome.
>
> Jeff 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 2, 2008, at 8:33 PM, Bbuddhas at aol.com
> wrote:
>
>> correction i checked my bid it was and still is $51
>> 
>> In a message dated 8/2/2008 8:09:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> jhwinick at aol.com writes:
>>
>> If that isnt Buddha yanking my chain after I spent the time
>> to sort this out, it will unfortunately mean we have to sort
>> out the whole contingency issue. I'll post something further
>> tonight about our options. 
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Bbuddhas at aol.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> put a $56 bid on Bay
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 8/2/2008 6:15:19 P.M. Central Daylight
>>> Time, jhwinick at aol.com writes:
>>>
>>> Here's what I know so far:
>>>
>>> Andy bid his entire budget on Nady. I spoke with him
>>> this morning and he had no contingent bids. I spoke to
>>> Brad and he didn't bid. So, pending presently unknown
>>> bids from either John or Buddha here are where things stand:
>>>
>>> I had the high bid on Bay at $56. He was my first
>>> choice, so we can end all of the discussion about
>>> contingent bids and can treat this bid as non-contingent
>>> and disregard the other two bids that I made to replace
>>> Shelley Duncan. The next highest bid was $47 from Rich,
>>> so he will be awarded to me at $48.
>>>
>>> $56 - JHW
>>> $47 - Rich
>>> $40 - Doug
>>> $35 - MBB
>>>
>>> The highest bid on Teixeira was by the Calamari who bid
>>> $69. The next highest bidder was Rich at $48, so he
>>> will be awarded to the Calamari (in fact, he already has
>>> been) for $49.
>>>
>>> $69 - Jim
>>> $48 - Rich
>>> $17 - MBB
>>>
>>> The highest bid on Nady was Andy's at $64. That was
>>> Andy's entire budget. The next highest bidders were
>>> Rick and Doug at $29, so Nady will be awarded to the
>>> Klein Nine (in fact, he already has been) for $30.
>>>
>>> $64 - Andy
>>> $29 - Doug
>>> $29 - Rick
>>> $20 - MBB
>>>
>>> There don't appear to have been any bids on Griffey, so
>>> he will be available next week.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you see a mistake. And John and
>>> Buddha, please let me know asap if you placed bids this
>>> week. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jeff 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Doug Shabelman >>> >
>>> To: announce at usml.net 
>>> Sent: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 5:46 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] FAAB Fun
>>>
>>> Andy's in a car and not by a computer. I am out in
>>> beautiful Grant Park at Lollapolooza where the next
>>> President is rumored to be introducing Wilco this evening.
>>>
>>> I believe I bid 40 on Bay, 29 on Nady but cannot confirm
>>> 100%. Someone can call Andy at 3174426981 but let's not
>>> make it Rich- I'd like to have a fighting chance....
>>>
>>> DS
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: announce-bounces at usml.net
>>> 
>>> >>> >
>>> To: 'USML Announcements' >>> >
>>> Sent: Sat Aug 02 17:42:54 2008
>>> Subject: [USML Announce] FAAB Fun
>>>
>>> Let's try and get this FAAB stuff wrapped up.
>>>
>>> In order for Jeff to handle processing we need to know
>>> what everyone bid.
>>>
>>> So far, Jeff has information from me, Mark B and his own
>>> bids.
>>>
>>> It appears that Andy and Jim placed bids, but we need to
>>> know the specifics.
>>>
>>> Please guys -- chime in with your bids or confirm that
>>> you didn't bid.
>>>
>>> We need to get this wrapped up promptly.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -- Rich
>>>
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