[USML Announce] Roster Question

Mon Aug 16 12:33:35 EDT 2010

I think we'd end up with real problems if we disallowed DL activations while
also requiring full rosters.

The more I think about it the more I'm inclined to agree that it's easier to
either require (or not) full rosters without getting into the issues I
raised on the other end of the spectrum.

What happens if someone leaves a player traded out of the AL on their
roster?  I assume stats don't accumulate.

-- Rich

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From: announce-bounces at usml.net [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey H. Winick
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:50 AM
To: USML Announcements
Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Roster Question

Rich,

I'll certainly support a rule that requires all teams to play with a full
roster of AL players. We could disallow DL activations, etc. My point was
that, while arguably related, that is a separate issue. In this instance the
issue is whether you must have a full roster of players, setting aside their
status. 

Jeff

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On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:47 AM, "Richard E. Robbins" <RERobbins at iTinker.net>
wrote:

I see your point Jeff -- but that doesn't answer my question.  

If the point is that we don't want people to play with empty slots to avoid
the cap why aren't we also concerned about people using non-active players
to avoid the floor?

Maybe the answer is that it's easier to address the cap issue and not
practical to address the floor.  That's not a great answer but at least it's
an answer.  OnRoto, as is, naturally enforces a full roster rule, so by
inaction we require full rosters and permit duds to avoid the floor.  I may
not like the lack of symmetry there, but I understand it.

-- Rich

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From: announce-bounces at usml.net [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey H. Winick
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:05 PM
To: USML Announcements
Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Roster Question

I think we're now expanding the question. I've played in dozens of leagues
for more than 20 years and no league has ever permitted an incomplete
roster. As much as it surprises me to say it, Buddha's analogy is spot on. 

Jeff

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On Aug 15, 2010, at 6:59 PM, "Richard E. Robbins" <
<mailto:RERobbins at iTinker.net> RERobbins at iTinker.net> wrote:

Will we continue to permit teams to stay above the floor by rostering
players that aren't active on an AL roster?

Should we address both sides of this issue or just the ceiling concern?

If we decide against allowing teams to roster inactive players to keep above
the floor, what happens if a team simply can't fill a spot?

-- Rich

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[mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Blocker
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 5:03 PM
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It sounds like a good chunk of the league has spoken.  

However, this is why I have in the past said that we should clarify our
rules on the spot each time we resolve any ambiguities.  This is exactly
what happens each time we have one of these: someone relies on a
recollection of what we have done in the past, others can't recall or
remember those events differently, and we end up with what amounts to an
in-season fix by vote with no lasting effect.  I'd be inclined to adopt a
rule right now that says you either can or cannot have an open slot.  I
don't care which (I am in 8th place!), but let's have an easy to read rule.

  -- Mark B.

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Actually, to the best of my recollection, the exact reason that we removed
the language change that temporarily banned the practice was the belief that
the salary floor and cap set the minimum and maximum roster requirements, so
there was no longer any reason to impose a ban on empty roster slots, as
long as the salary requirements were met. 

Mark

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I'm with Jim B.  The argument based on the rules is questionable at best.
If there was prior "custom," it we had a salary cap.  I don't think teams
should be able to duck the cap by having empty slots on active rosters
unless the rules clearly permit it.

-Andy

On 8/15/10 1:10 PM, Jim Barrett wrote: 

If there is no evidence of it being permitted, the Constitutional argument
is questionable, and the whole point is to dodge the salary cap then the
answer should be no.  He should have to juggle his roster to fit within the
salary cap and positional requirements.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM,  <mailto:springkerb at aol.com>
<mailto:springkerb at aol.com> springkerb at aol.com wrote:

I haven't seen a decision on my question.  If permitted, please activate
Saltalamachia, reserve Fox, and reserve Mijares.  Mijares is out for the
season, so this could effectively be accomplished by assigning him a salary
of zero. 

Mark

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