[USML Announce] USML - Proposed rule codification

Sun Mar 21 16:44:09 EDT 2010

Figure out what you guys want and let me know if I need to vote on anything.
Don't worry about my objections as I suspect I'm alone.

Now please offer me a closer.

-- Rich

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From: announce-bounces at usml.net [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On Behalf
Of Jeff Winick
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I'm not concerned that dealing with this issue in a manner that only applies
prospectively presents any problem whatsoever.  That should also address
Rich's concern. I think the greater risk is that if we don't do something
now we'll forget about it and not address it before it arises again. 

Jeff  

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On Mar 21, 2010, at 2:27 PM, springkerb at aol.com wrote:

I agree, if you mean that we don't change the rules on the fly.  However,
don't you think it makes sense to go ahead and bring the matter to the vote
for the future, since it's already teed up?

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From: Jeffrey H. Winick <JHW at steinrayharris.com>
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Sent: Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:58 pm
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Upon review, I shouldn't have said once and for all. Instead I meant to say
until a timely proposal to change the rules is made, I.e. not now.  

Jeff

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On Mar 21, 2010, at 1:52 PM, "Jeff Winick" < <mailto:jhwinick at aol.com>
jhwinick at aol.com> wrote:

Rich,

I respectfully disagree. While I agree with the premise that we ought not
make changes to the rules during the season, I don't see this as a change.
It merely codifies our practice. Worse than in-season rule changes is ad hoc
decisionmaking and potential inconsistency. If you're really concerned about
bitter difficulties then I encourage you to drop your objection to resolving
this particular issue once and for all. 

Jeff   

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On Mar 21, 2010, at 1:24 PM, "Richard E. Robbins" <
<mailto:RERobbins at iTinker.net>  <mailto:RERobbins at iTinker.net>
RERobbins at iTinker.net> wrote:

I vote against this proposal because I do not think it is timely and would
prefer that we deal with this informally as we do so many other things until
it's time to codify the result.  Think about how our rules concerning early
drafting came into being -- a few years of informal trial followed by timely
formal rule voting.

I believe that amending the rules in season, for any reason, sets a very
dangerous precedent that could one day result in bitter difficulties for the
league.  It makes it too easy for people to toss out possible rule changes
at any time.

If I'm the only one who feels this way then so be it.  However, if there's
even a single other person who agrees with me I'd ask that the proposal be
withdrawn and that we just deal with this instance informally and not tinker
with the text of our rules now.

Now I need to find me a closer. . .

-- Rich

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I agree as well.

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On Mar 21, 2010, at 3:46 PM, "Mark Blocker" < <mailto:mbblocker at aol.com>
<mailto:mbblocker at aol.com>  <mailto:mbblocker at aol.com> mbblocker at aol.com>
wrote:

I agree with Jeff on the rule change.  We forget about all these issues in
the off-season.  When someone starts off their e-mail with "does anyone
remember how we handled X" last time it occurred, I think that's a sign that
we should simply codify our resolution.  I am not talking about massive
re-writes of the rules.  I just want to tweak the small things that occur
occasionally.  As for rules that affect the draft, the perfect time to tweak
them is right after the draft.

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Since Jim faced this situation before and we waived the player and made him
wait until the first FAAB, I think we should consider this discussion
closed.  There's absolutely no reason to deviate from past practice.  I took
Mark B's proposal as a request to codify the league's prior practice.

Jeff

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Can we deal with the current issue on an ad hoc basis right now and then
deal with rules proposals and text amendment during the deep off season?

Right now people may vote one way based on how it impacts their current
situation and another if dealing with the issue in the abstract.

I don't have strong feelings either way about the substance of this one --
but I really do prefer to keep in line with our well established framework
for amending our now, pretty stable rules.

Would we need a substantial super majority or will a simple majority carry
the day?

Over and out.

-- Rich

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Mark,

I like the rules proposal and vote yes.

As for my roster:

1.  You have the correct Josh Fields
2.  You're missing Ramon Castro at $2

Thanks.

Jeff

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Since the problem of teams acquiring players from the NL has occurred in the
past, and will likely occur in the future, I propose we codify our proposed
solution in the rules for future reference.  Here is a proposed rule, to be
inserted as section 5.6 of our rules:

5.6  If a team acquires a player in the Rotation Draft that does not meet
the criteria set forth in Section 5.2, the player will, upon discovery, be
deemed waived effective as of the conclusion of the Rotation Draft.  Such
team shall have no right to select a replacement player, but instead may
acquire a player for that slot in accordance with Article XIV.

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